Fat Folk in the Pagan Community

Posted July 18, 2012

The tagline for this blog is "Respect and Love are for EVERY body". I hold this as a Truth, something deeply important and personal and True for me, and something I wish was True for everyone else. It's not, but we're working on it, us fat activists and dancers and scientists and doctors and everyone who leaves positive comments about loving and respecting their body BECAUSE OF its size, not DESPITE it. Being self-loving and accepting, and doing so for others, is also a large part of my spirituality, which I've written about before. As a Pagan, I believe that our bodies are part of the divine, a physical manifestation of the Soul of the universe in a way. As a lover of science, I know that my body is made of the same stuff as the stars and the earth itself. It's sacred, and only good can come from self-love and acceptance. This approach informs a lot of my fat acceptance writing and embracing of the health at every size mindset. 

Imagine my horror then, and quickly following that, my anger, when I saw a post on Facebook tonight that lead me to Patheos.com, a well-known and very busy online spiritual community where many Pagan blogs are hosted, and where a blogger named Masery has collected a series of blog-posts and comments centering around the supposed problem of obesity in the Pagan community, a discussion fueled by the unexpected death of a well-known Pagan podcaster, David Grega. Following the link-trail I began at Pagan in Paradise, written by Peter Dybing, with a post titled "A Pagan Taboo: Obesity". Basically the entire post is one long concern-trolling wherin Peter mulls the question of whether or not Someone should say/do SOMETHING about the all the fat folks in the Pagan community.

Hey Peter? We know we're fat. Our bodies are none of your business, so keep your 'concern' about our 'beauty' and health to yourself. We really really really don't need to hear it from you, or any of our Pagan brothers and sisters, any more than we want or need to hear it, all day and every day, from every other corner of our lives. Let me put your mind at ease-noone and nothing is responsible for my health but me; not my Priestess or Priest, not the larger Pagan community, not the Gods. This is my body, and my life, and it's in my hands. That's the beautiful thing about free-will and being a grown-up. There's nothing you, or anyone can do, to make a fat person thin, and being thin isn't a guarantee that a person will be healthy, so stop worrying about it. Stress will make you sicker, faster, than being fat will.

From that bit of nonsense I went on to The Firefly Chronicles (sadly not associated with the epic show Firefly), and a post by Iris Firemoon titled The Pagan Conversation of Obesity. Iris' post is a response to Peter's, wherin she attempts to not equate fatness with ill-health and disease, and instead takes a whole-foods, organics only approach to health and wellness. She recognizes that all bodies are different thanks to genetics and past history, and acknowledges that the Western food system is badly biased towards franken-foods and mono-crop agribusiness culture that not only isn't good for our bodies, but isn't great for our planet, and then doesn't even mention the reality that organic food is horribly overpriced, food deserts are a real problem in large areas of the States (and Canada), and that socio-economic status deeply influences not only what a family will have to eat but also if they live next too a powerplant or a park. Sadly, instead of keeping the post focused on health and wellness, she brings it all back around to asking what the Pagan community will do to 'address' obesity. This implies that despite genetics and personal history of injury or illness, fat people are fat, and therefore operating at less than optimal capacity, because they're just eating all the wrong stuff.

Iris, correlation does not equal causation, though there IS some good evidence, and more every day, that the chemicals and other weird things in our food, and even some of the foods themselves, are tied into the rise of disease the last 30-40 years or so. Personally, I think it's no coincidence that since we've started spraying pesticides and herbicides derived from WW2 people-killing chemicals onto our food, certain kinds of diseases have sprung up like whoa. However, fat is a 70% inherited genetic trait, like eye-colour, so it's not going anywhere no matter what people eat. There have always been, and always will be, fat people. I for one have always been fat, and it doesn't impact my ability to be my circle's priestess, or my son's mother, or do my job, at all. Everyone's height of health IS different, because all bodies are different, and yes, that means fat people can be at their height of health too. It's not so simple to start making healthy choices as you say; Time and money are luxury items to some of us, some of us who buy the no-name, from-a-box groceries we can because hey, we're POOR. Time is hard to come by for families where mom and dad, or just 1 parent, are working 2 jobs to make ends meet and the kids are at a babysitters from school-end to bed-time, and don't go outside to play because there've been too many shootings and/or drug dealers in the neighbourhood lately. If I could I'd eat nothing but what I could by at my local farmer's market, but I can't because it's too expensive, and at least I can recognize that even *having access* to a farmer's market is an enormous privilege.  

If Peter and Iris truly believed that 'every body is sacred' they would realize that means fat bodies too. My fat body isn't an insult to my gods or my circle and to say that it needs to be addressed, that they're concerned, that they and many many other commenters feel that I should DO SOMETHING about it, is hurtful. What should I do, fat community? Should I diet, with it's 95% failure rate? Should I go and get weight loss surgery, rearrange my innards so I can only eat a tiny bit at a time or deal with 'dumping' and 'productive burping' for the rest of my life (not to mention vitamin and mineral deficiencies)? Should I join Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig, with their equally abysmal failure rates?

The reality is fat people exist, Pagan and non-Pagan, and OUR BODIES ARE NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You concern is noted, but not needed, or wanted, and is indeed, harmful. It's not being fat that makes people sick, it's being fat in a world that hates fat people that makes fat folk sick. It's being large in a world that wants to make you disappear, that spends billions of dollars annually on trying to make that happen, being denied proper medical care and being discriminated against from work to airlines, that makes some of us sick. It's being fat and having your kids taken away because oh gods, they're fat too! that makes some of us sick. It's the yo-yo diets, the pills, the shakes, the surgeries, the self-hate and loathing, that makes us sick. If ALL BODIES ARE SACRED then it's ALL BODIES, not 'all bodies except those ones over there who aren't what I think they should be'. 

Comments

Yeah I commented on Peters blog calling him to look at what could be fat bias. I was calm, I was polite but I was firm that if we strip away the issues of health and since he is refuting the studies people are sharing with him, then there are other issues at work that he should explore within himself. He responded as if I had attacked him saying that I was making it "personal" and how offended he was that I used the word fat which is a horrible word. I countered with the thought that concern trolling on fat people IS personal and that him being upset that I used the word fat only shows how ignorant he is of what is going on among fat pagans in many communities. Since he unconsciously equates fat with all these other terrible assumptions of course he finds the word fat. I shared with him its a descriptor word only. I also asked him to search within himself for areas of bias that may be getting in the way of his learning. I guess he didn't like what I had to say as he deleted all of my posts. I guess the "attack" on his ego was more than he could bear. *shrug* sad.

Oh my. Yeah, someone has some deep seated (no pun intended) fat bias alright. I hope he, and other 'concerned' Pagans, wanders by and checks out my Links section. Thank you for speaking up directly at his blog like you did; I hope despite his deletion of your comments you gave him something to ponder.

The above commenter was warned twice on my blog to not use abusive or demeaning language on my blog. Yes the posts were deleted. The individual returned with language that focused on the issues and not personal attacks and there comments are on my blog. As are the comments of many others who disagree with me.

On another subject, in response to your post. I do now and have for most of my life considered all bodies sacred including fat bodies. My post was written from my perspective as a person with a medical background. It was my mistake to discuss this as if I were dealing with medical professionals who are trained to discuss such subjects with out judgment. In retrospect would I have chosen wording more carefully? Yes.

The post grew out of my friendship with someone who had recently died. It just amazes me that in my writing a post inspired by my loss I have been accused of horrible beliefs and attitudes I do not hold. Let me ask if such things were true why am I feeling such a loss for my dear friend?

There are those who will continue to paint me as the bad guy, go ahead, it is so off the mark that it is not even credible. Any one who knows me or reviews my past posts can clearly see this.

Blessings and good luck with this page.

Peter, I'm not a pagan but I am really sorry for your loss and I did want to say one thing. You've said:

"It was my mistake to discuss this as if I were dealing with medical professionals who are trained to discuss such subjects with out judgment"

I'm going to have to disagree there. There are a lot of medical professionals extremely biased and judgemental when it comes to fat people.

Do you always write in that tone? If so, you kind of come off as a condescending jackass. Though I am sure you are a lovely person.

Blessings to you and your blog

As you can see above, Peter takes vocabulary such as "ignorance" "uncover your bias" as abusive or demeaning language. Only after he deleted my three very highly civilized yet assertive comments did I then trot out the you could be a fat bigot, please look into books about racism, oppression and intersectionality ( I never once called him a name like Jackass though it would seem fitting). I never demeaned this man until he started deleting posts of mine which were in no way abusive or derogatory, he took offense that I personalized his blog post by saying, "hmm, the issue may not be fat pagans, the issue could be you." I called him friend, and asked him to delve into what the Goddess may be trying to show him... I seriously, and with all intent tried to have an honest conversation with him rather than insult him... now is that means not agreeing with him or getting meta on him and he thinks THAT is derogatory and abusive... well this man thinks that he can have his cake by health concern trolling... then delete the reaction this causes. That he talks about me as a non-entity in his pseudo "professional" commentary tone only dehumanizes the experience and what I had to say. That he instead chooses to delete and oppress me by calling my charge to look at his bias speaks volumes about the true intent and issue under the concern trolling. He would rather have fatties on his blog doing the normal apologizing for and making excuses about their bodies. It would seem he is not really interested in any other agenda than the one he is sold about.

Trust me, I am also a blogger, I know when someone is challenging my view point and when someone is just being an ass... this guy seems to not make much distinction between the two.

Though... it looks like he is now using the word fat bodies (coined by me first on his blog as a commenter by the way LOL so while he deletes my supposedly abusive comments… he has taken my terminology) comfortably when he first called the word shameful and degrading... so it would seem I have had SOME positive affect in his learning about the power of words after all! I congratulate you on that small concession, sir!

Awesome article! Our posts were so similar, I did a double take. I think we just had the same thing in mind. Great minds, huh? :)

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